28
Sep
07

Pro-family group has close encounter with reality

It rather shocks me that I find myself approving of what this guy has to say:

Briefly:

The head of a national pro-family organization says it’s time to ditch the fight against gay marriage and push instead for tax breaks and other incentives to make marriage and child rearing more attractive options.

Dave Quist, executive director of the Institute of Marriage and Family Canada, said Thursday he has become less concerned about same-sex marriage since census figures released earlier this month demonstrated how rare gay marriage is.

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He said a first priority should be to change the tax rules so only married couples – not those living common law – are allowed to split their incomes, thereby reducing their tax hit.

So… gay marriage isn’t the horrifying threat to uptight heterosexuality that it has been portrayed to be for decades by, well, people like Mr. Quist?  What a shocking surprise!  I agree, Mr. Quist: you should ditch your odious preoccupation with other people’s private lives and recognize that what those consenting adults do in private is no threat to your, uh, “lifestyle”.

Now, about this tax thing.  I’m not terribly happy about income taxes in general — but if we’re going to have income taxes, I’d rather they be spread simply and uniformly across the population rather than carefully tailored to fit the political prejudices of the moment (and, of course, every political prejudice of past moments that haven’t become sufficiently odious to attract an official redaction).  Among other things, I’m rather less than impressed with tax breaks for married and common-law couples.  Therefore, when Mr. Quist advocates dropping split-income tax provisions for common-law couples, I see it as a good start.

Then we have this bit:

The rising tide of common-law unions throughout North America, but particularly in Canada, was a major topic of discussion Thursday at a one-day conference sponsored by Quist’s organization. American academic Jennifer Roback Morse, who has written extensively about the merits of marriage over cohabitation, said Canadian legislators should waste no time in coming up with tax breaks to make marriage more attractive.

“We should not encourage cohabitation by treating it as if it were marriage,” she told about 60 people, most from faith-based and social service organizations.

Sixty people.  My goodness — your conferences sure are special.  The last time I gave a conference talk, I had the honour of addressing over two hundred people — and that was a rather specialized group of academics, not those who purport to represent a “moral” majority of modern society.

But enough about me — let’s talk about you, Ms. Morse.  You claim that “Canadian legislators should waste no time in coming up with tax breaks to make marriage more attractive”, eh?  Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in.  Canadian legislators have no fucking business getting involved in marriage — or anything else pertaining to the private lives of the citizens whom they represent.  You have some fucking nerve, waltzing into a country not your own and daring to tell its politicians how they should spend my taxes!

Here’s a daring thought: let’s completely — heheheh — divorce government from the business of marriage altogether.  No tax breaks for couples, no marriage licenses, no common-law benefits, no messy divorce hearings… no problem.  Can anyone explain to me why government ought to be involved in the relationships of its citizens to begin with?


5 Responses to “Pro-family group has close encounter with reality”


  1. 1 HQ19:7
    September 28, 2007 at 01:44

    “Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in”
    Should we take this as an indication you would not object to the government getting involved in any contracts between him and his horse.
    Actually, marriage as an integral part of the most basic building block in society as we know it, “the family”, is a legal matter as well as a private/spiritual one. It’s easy to get lose sight of this in an emotional rant. I get your point, I think. He isn’t Canadian, so he should shut the f**k up. Are you sure you aren’t American, lol.

  2. September 28, 2007 at 02:19

    “Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in”
    Should we take this as an indication you would not object to the government getting involved in any contracts between him and his horse.

    Goodness, aren’t you clever. (While we’re picking at details, how many people named Jennifer are male? And for that matter, why do you find it so difficult to punctuate a question with a question mark?)

    Actually, marriage as an integral part of the most basic building block in society as we know it, “the family”, is a legal matter as well as a private/spiritual one. It’s easy to get lose sight of this in an emotional rant.

    You have utterly failed to justify your position. You claim — I think — that marriage, the family, etc. are so vital a part of “society as we know it” that the government has a vested interest in becoming involved. All you do, however, is make Bowdlerized ad hominem attacks.

    You have not demonstrated that “marriage” and “the family” are closely related. (I have plenty of personal experience — not my own, I should add — to suggest that they are not.) You have also failed to demonstrate that either “marriage” or “the family” is in any way a “building block of society”.

    Finally, you have utterly failed to demonstrate that even if marriage is a “building block in society” it should be considered a legal matter. High-efficiency agriculture is clearly a building block of modern society: without it, most of us would starve to death. New Zealand has done quite well by making farming an entirely private matter, which I have addressed in a previous article. Canada and the United States (among others) have made farm subsidies a heavily politicized and very public matter, to our increasing detriment. (Witness the debate around corn-based ethanol, for example, or the prevalence of antibiotic-riddled corn-fed beef, or even the fact that snacks like Twinkies are — thanks to corn subsidies — far cheaper than real food.) If you like the idea of hetero couples getting married and pumping out crotchfruit every nine months, you should be vehemently opposed to the government having the opportunity to fuck it all up.

    Marriage was, for example, considered one of the keystones of the Third Reich. Hitler also proposed that strong Aryan marriages dedicated to pumping out a racially superior little übermensch as often as possible would lead to a stronger nation. Would you suggest that we follow their example and mandate state coercion in everyone’s love lives?

    In any case, I’m neither for nor against marriage: I just want the government to remain uninvolved in matters which are none of its business. (I also object to paying higher taxes because a pair of fuckbuddies want to dance around in a chapel for an hour or so. You do realize that “lower taxes for married couples” means “higher taxes for everyone else”, don’t you?)

    I get your point, I think. He isn’t Canadian, so he should shut the fuck up.

    I fixed it for you. Are you afraid that you won’t go to heaven if you type the word “fuck”?

    And yes, that’s exactly my point. She isn’t Canadian, so she should shut the fuck up about the way the Canadian government spends tax dollars collected from Canadian citizens.

    Are you sure you aren’t American, lol.

    You surely are a shining wit. I am indeed a dual citizen: I am Canadian and American. I bet that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, too.

    Now: if you can argue your points like a reasonable human being (by appealing to evidence rather than your own bizarre prejudices, for example), and if you can learn to punctuate your sentences properly, I’d love to carry on this debate.

  3. September 28, 2007 at 09:13

    How far are you going with this ? A marriage is just a variation of a legal partnership arrangements which has fallen under special and often unwelcome regulation because it involves custody of minors. If you want to stipulate that in a time when married partners are in the minority heritage arrangements are due some serious review, I don’t think you’re stating anything most don’t already know.

  4. 4 HQ19:7
    September 29, 2007 at 19:01

    Sir, your initial post showed no effort in arguing these points at all. As far as I know, Canada and the USA are still largely populated by people who share my opinion, that “marriage is sacred”. I DON’T need to prove this statement. The responsibility falls on you to disprove these traditional values which stem largely from Judeo-Christian values. Your unconvincing efforts to turn these values on their head, beg the question, why do you do it? What’s wrong with “marriage”? Merely because Nazzi Germany promoted marriage as central? Personally, I would be happier if my government promoted family centered values and used my taxes to this end. Good luck to you.

  5. 5 HQ19:7
    September 29, 2007 at 19:03

    Thank you for your editorial comments concerning my punctuation and pronoun usage; your most convincing comments so far, granted.


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